对话Suji Yan:再做底层区块链意义不大 |链捕手

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过去十多年,Web2.0的发展极大地拓展了用户获取信息的能力,但同时也导致Facebook等巨头各占山头、据地为王,利用用户的隐私数据牟利,种种弊端受到越来越多人的批判,Suji Yan就是国内最先意识到这种现象的那批人之一。

The development of Web 2.0 over the past 10 years has greatly expanded users' access to information, but it has also led to a growing number of criticisms by

Suji Yan向来凭借着离经叛道的标签活跃在互联网人的视野中,他尝试以「女装程序员」形象对抗普遍的社会刻板印象,和妻子Katt Gu共同发起「Anti 996 Lisence」抵制互联网行业不人道的工作制度,还曾深入福岛核灾区报道以追查真相。

Suji Yan, who has always been active in the eyes of Internet people with deviant labels, has tried to confront the prevailing social stereotypes with the image of a “female dresser” and has joined his wife, Katt Gu, in launching “Anti 996  Lisence” against the inhuman working system of the Internet industry, and has gone deep into the Fukushima nuclear disaster to find out the truth.

在意识到数据的价值后Suji Yan成立了Dimension,其核心产品Mask Network(原名 Maskbook )于19年下半年推出,该产品试图帮助用户从 Web2.0过渡到 Web3.0 的门户,该产品试图在Twitter、Facebook等传统社交巨头的平台上,无缝发送加密信息、加密货币乃至去中心化应用,即在现在的互联网上搭建通往新型开放网络的桥梁。

In recognition of the value of the data, Suji Yan created Dimension, whose core product, Mask Network (formerly   Maskbook), was launched in the second half of 19 and seeks to assist users in sending encrypted information seamlessly, encrypting money and even centralizing applications on traditional social giants, such as Twitter, , i.e. building bridges to new open networks on the Internet now.

例如,该产品可以帮助用户将自己在Facebook、Twitter等平台发送的信息进行乱码加密,用户指定可以看到的用户将会得到解密私钥,倡导用户夺回自己的数据资产。

For example, the product helps users to encrypt the information they send on platforms such as

近日,链捕手(ID:iqklbs)对Mask Network创始人Suji Yan进行了专访,他在此次访谈中详细阐述了创造Mask Network的初衷及愿景,对行业发展发表了许多独特见解,相信本文会让你看到一个特别的去中心化世界信仰者,对去中心化的愿景产生更多思考。

In a recent interview with the founder of Mask Network, Suji Yan, by a chain catcher (ID:iqklbs), who elaborated on the original intent and vision of creating Mask Network and gave many unique insights into industry development, it is believed that this paper will allow you to see a special decentralized world believer and give more thought to the vision of decentralizing.

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想做区块链与互联网间的桥梁

wants to be a bridge between the block chain and the Internet

链捕手:Mask Network是一个很有趣且令人印象深刻的产品,你创造它是希望为互联网世界带来怎么样的变化?

Serial Catcher: Mask Network is an interesting and impressive product, and you created it as a hope for change for the Internet world.

Suji:过去很多人说解放数据主权,但是没有一个项目能够把旧世界和新世界连在一起,互联网巨头不会把自己升级。所以,我们想通过这个项目搭建一个巨大的桥梁,来迫使传统的互联网进入到新的互联网、升级到Web3.0,希望最终能够降低去中心化产品的使用门槛,直接使用Web3.0的产品。

Suji: In the past, many people said that data sovereignty had been liberated, but no project could connect the old and the new world, and the Internet giants would not upgrade themselves. So, through this project, we wanted to build a huge bridge that would force the traditional Internet to enter the new Internet, upgrade to Web3.0, hopefully eventually lowering the threshold for using decentralised products and directly using Web3.0 products.

链捕手:除了信息加密工具,Mask Network还有哪些有意思的工具可以分享?

Serial Catchers: In addition to information encryption tools, what are the interesting tools that Mask Network has to share?

Suji:我们已经开发了一套技术框架,叫做DApplet(Decentralized Applet ),可以直接插入到Facebook、Twitter 和Reddit等等里面。简单来说,Mask Network可以把小程序装入Facebook或Twitter,并且他们不会知道;或者是通过我们的技术使它去中心化,使得社交平台也不能封掉它。我们应该是目前这个行业里面唯一一个掌握这套技术框架并且乐意将其开源出来的团队。

Suji: We have developed a technical framework known as Dapplet, which can be inserted directly into

过去一年中,我们在Mask Network中已经开发出了一些「 Applet」,其中包括一个以太坊红包功能。通过这个插件,用户可以将任何加密通证装入以太坊智能合约中,同时将这个红包以Tweet的形式发布在Twitter上。只要其他用户同样使用了Mask Network插件,通过正确的方式就能够领取红包。

Over the past year, we have developed a number of "  Applet" in MaskNetwork, which includes a darlin's red package. Through this plugin, users can load any encrypted pass into a darlin' smart contract and post the red package on Twitter in the form of Tweet. As long as the other users also use the MaskNetwork plugin, they can receive the red package in the right way.

另一个小程序的例子是Gitcoin捐款。Mask Network将检测到所有包含 gitcoin.co URL的Tweet,并在用户的社交页面中显示一个浮窗,用户可以通过这个浮窗进行捐款。

Another example of a small program is the Gitcoin contribution. Mask Network will detect all Tweet containing   gitcoin.co URL and show a floating window on the user’s social page through which users can contribute.

 我们最新开发的交易小插件,可以通过检测网页中是否存在以美元符号 $ 为开头的通证标签。如果有的话,用户只需要将鼠标悬停在这个标签上,就能够看到这个加密货币的市场趋势,上了哪些交易对,甚至如果这个通证在Uniswap有交易对的话,还能通过Mask Network 中内置的「Swap」 界面进行直接交易,这个是由Uniswap支持的。这些功能都已经对Mask Network所有用户开放,无须另行安装。

& nbsp; our recently developed transaction plugins can detect whether there is a pass-label starting with the dollar sign   $ & nbsp; or a pass-through tag on the web page. If there is one, the user simply has to put the mouse on the tab, it can see the market trend in this encrypted currency, which transactions are right, and even if the pass is traded in Uniswap, it can be traded directly through the "Swap" & nbsp, which is supported by Uniswap. These functions are already open to all Mask Network users and need not be installed separately.

 链捕手:你将Mask Network等产品称为桥梁,这里具体怎么理解?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: How do you understand how you call products like Mask Network a bridge?

 Suji:对,它们是可以定制和改造的桥梁,但不是工具,而是中间件。如果没有我们,很多项目没办法在直接在中心化平台上使用。但和其它中间件不同,我们是去中心化项目,代码是开源的,所有人都可以在上面进行开发。

& nbsp;Suji: Yes, they are bridges that can be customised and adapted, but not tools, but intermediates. Without us, many projects cannot be used directly on a centralized platform. But, unlike other intermediates, we are decentralized projects with open source codes that can be developed by all.

 我们把互联网本身当作区块链世界的一种数据基础,把新世界视为一个数据库,我们把这两个世界跨在一起,但不是做跨链,而是跨互联网的区块链。

& nbsp; we see the Internet itself as a data base for the block chain world, and we see the new world as a database, and we put the two worlds together, not as a cross-link, but as a cross-Internet block chain.

 举个例子,通过与波卡和以太坊生态进行合作,我们成功实现了把波卡和以太坊搬到了Twitter、Facebook上。虽然目前为止,我们只做了一些小插件,但后续的想象力是无限的,它将是所有赛道的综合体,是去中心化世界最大的入口,因为我们是第一个能够跟中心化世界进行连接的桥梁。

& nbsp; for example, by working with Poca and Etheria ecology, we have succeeded in moving Poca and Etheria to Twitter,

 链捕手:区块链行业内很少有像你们这样的团队,一直专注于做加密插件或者说桥梁,可以分享下你做这件事最初的想法吗?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: There are very few teams like you in the block chain industry that have been focusing on encryption plugs or bridges to share your initial thoughts on doing this?

 Suji:我们知道很多项目从传统互联网行业的视角来看很酷,但是它们缺少对新世界的理解,缺少对Web3.0的理解。我也认识一些Web3.0的大佬,像Vitalik他们已经很明白问题在哪儿,但是船大不好掉头,只能说由他们资助Dimension去做这个事情。

& nbsp; Suji: We know that many projects are cool from the perspective of the traditional Internet industry, but they lack understanding of the new world and of Web3.0. I also know some Web3.0 bosses, like Vitalik, who already know where the problem is, but the ship is not going to turn around, and they can only say that they finance Dimension to do it.

 中国互联网和美国互联网是相似的,如果有哪个中国互联网项目跟行业或者VC说我要打倒中心化互联网巨头,这只是个梦。类似的,任何说要打倒以太坊的项目尽管有可能性,但是有一定难度。

& nbsp; the Chinese Internet is similar to the American Internet, and if any Chinese Internet project, like industry or VC, says I'm going to knock down the Internet giants, it's just a dream. Similarly, any project that says it's going to knock out the Etheria, though possible, is somewhat difficult.

 太多人做去中心化的底层区块链了,再做一个意义不大,所以我们就去做一个跨互联网的桥梁。以太坊可能就像是当年的互联网,虽然很酷但是使用门槛高;而现在的互联网巨头都很好用,但是非常封闭,它可以随时对用户进行封号或是禁言。所以我在想能不能在互联网上先做一个比较创新的事情:在现代互联网应用上直接使用DeFi、NFT、DAO、以太坊、波卡等去中心化项目。

& nbsp; too many people do decentralised bottom block chains, and it doesn't make much sense, so we do a bridge across the Internet. The Etheria may be like the Internet of the year, cool but high-threshold; and the current Internet giants are very useful, but very closed, so it can block or block users at any time. So I wonder if I can do something more innovative on the Internet: direct use of DeFi, , DAO, Taiwan, Boca, etc.

 链捕手:工具类产品往往很难变现,你们的商业模式是怎样的?

& nbsp; Chain Catchers: Tool-type products are often difficult to realize, and what are your business models?

 Suji:这个模式下做商业模式也挺直接的,和Compound、Uniswap的逻辑有点像,我们正在建构一个不需要任何认可的巨大网络,不需要任何传统意义上的监管,其中就有巨大的利润空间,我们跟云计算厂商等合作,用户进行交易需要付手续费或者付费解锁,这些费用都由Dimension进行价值捕获。

& nbsp; Suji: The business model under this model is also quite straightforward, and the logic of Compound, Uniswap is somewhat similar. We are building a vast network that does not require any recognition, no regulation in the traditional sense, with huge profit space, and we work with cloud computing firms, etc., where users have to pay a fee or a price to unlock, all of which are captured by Dimension.

 但是现在这样做没有意义,我们希望让用户先意识到数据的重要性,数据是他们的资产,我们提供给用户合法的技术,捍卫自己的数据资产。

& nbsp; but there is no point in doing so now, and we want to make users aware first of the importance of data, which are their assets, and we provide them with legitimate technology to defend their own data assets.

 链捕手:可以谈谈问世的几款产品具体用户量和增长趋势吗?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: Can we talk about the specific number of users and growth trends of several products that are emerging?

 Suji:我们有两部分用户,一部分是清楚了解什么是Mask network并且每个功能都会用的用户,这部分有3、4万的下载,日活大概3千;另一部分是指通过互联网入口进入我们的用户,数量已经有80多万。用户增长趋势说夸张一点,一年有接近一百万的增长。

& nbsp; Suji: We have two parts of users, one with a clear understanding of what is a Mask network that will be used for each function, the other with 30 or 40,000 downloads and roughly 3,000 living daily, and the other with more than 800,000 users entering through the Internet portal. User growth is an exaggeration, with nearly a million people growing a year.

 我们目标是在三年做到2000万的安装。像今年春节期间我们和Maker的合作的红包活动就吸引来了 1000 多个真实用户,以太坊创始人Vitalik 也参与了。

& nbsp; our goal is to install 20 million in three years. Like the red packs we worked with Maker this spring, it attracted & nbsp; 1000 & nbsp; many real users, Vitalik, the founder of Ethio.

这些人可能并不是Web3.0的用户,也不会用DeFi去做更多的事情,但这也证明原本的互联网平台是一个入口,这个入口需要一个桥梁,即使成功如以太坊、Maker也需要这个桥梁。

These people may not be Web3.0 users and will not do more with DeFi, but it also proves that the original Internet platform is an entrance that needs a bridge, even if successful as Etheria, Maker needs it.

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Web3.0就是突破阻挠和限制

Web3.0 is breaking barriers and restrictions

 链捕手:现在社会数据隐私泄露非常普遍,很多数据其实是企业或者政府他们主动收集的,Mask Network这些产品使得互联网巨头或者政府都站在了自身的对比面。那么自从发布以来,你们与Facebook这类大企业或者政府有没有进行过什么博弈呢?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: Social data privacy is now widely leaked, much of it is collected by businesses or governments on their own initiative, and Mask Network is a product that makes the Internet giants or governments stand in contrast to themselves. So, since it was released, have you made any games with large companies or governments like ?

 Suji:肯定会做,现在这方面不方便透露。我现在能说的是,类似于推特等软件是我们的盟友。

& nbsp;Suji: Will do, and it's not easy to tell. What I can say now is that software like Twitter is our ally.

 比特币通过10多年才达到1000多亿美元的市值,但只要扎克伯格和贝索斯联手,似乎就能够把整个行业堵死。很简单一个道理,Facebook针对我们就相当于是针对去中心化,针对以太坊、IPFS,我们不是一个人在战斗。

& nbsp; Bitcoin has reached a market value of more than $100 billion over 10 years, but as long as Zuckerberg and Bethos join forces, it seems to be able to block the entire industry. One simple thing,

 所以我们要和以太坊、波卡这些项目联合起来,互相之间不要过度竞争,大家一起合作,才能真正地实现去中心化世界。

& nbsp; so we have to join forces with the Ethernos and Poca projects, so that there is no excessive competition between them, so that we can work together to truly decentralize the world.

 链捕手:你们的目标是架起Web2.0和Web3.0之间的桥梁,可以谈一谈你理解中的Web3.0是怎样的吗?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: Your goal is to build a bridge between Web 2.0 and Web3.0. May I say what kind of Web3.0 you understand?

 Suji:所有人对Web3.0的理解都不同,我的理解是Web2.0由于一些奇怪的原因做不到的东西,互联网早期有很多美好的梦想,比如说跨境支付、三权隐私、线上治理、永久存储、开放金融、数据属于个人,但是由于各国跟一些商业组织基于自己目的阻挠成为现在这个阶段,我们把现在这个阶段叫做Web2.0,将突破阻挠和限制的下一阶段称作Web3.0。

& nbsp; Suji: All people have different understandings of Web3.0. I understand that Web 2.0 could not be done for some strange reason. The Internet had many wonderful dreams early on, such as cross-border payments, three rights privacy, online governance, permanent storage, open finance, data belong to individuals, but since countries and some business organizations are blocking this stage for their own purposes, we call this stage Web 2.0, and the next phase of breaking barriers and restrictions is called Web3.0. .

 链捕手:我们了解到你还是反996协议的发起人之一,你认为区块链技术对个人的赋权能起到改善996工作制的作用吗?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: We understand that you are also one of the sponsors of the anti-996 agreement. Do you think that block chain technology can improve individual empowerment?

 Suji:Vitalik一直信仰和去实践的概念:数据即劳动(Data as labor)。大家都认为996运动改变生产关系,而生产关系的本质无非是劳方和资方的关系。数字世界里用户是劳方,平台和平台拥有者是资方,用户的劳方是通过创造数据付出劳动的,只有密码学能够保护数据或者保护数据转移跟交易,这个就是开放金融或者DeFi。

& nbsp; Suji: Vitalik has always believed in and practiced the concept of data: Data as labor. Everyone believes that the 996 movement changes the productive relationship, and that the essence of the productive relationship is just the relationship between labor and capital. The digital world is where users are laborers, platforms and platform owners are capitalists, users work by creating data, and only cryptography protects data or the transfer and transaction of data, which is open finance or DeFi.

 所以我很确信的一点是:所有人都可以变成资本家,这些码农需要拥有资本,他们就需要开源运动来帮助他们真正拥有自己的知识产权,而不是让大公司代表他们拥有并通过这些知识产权赚钱。我冥冥之中觉得,996运动是这个愿景的开端。

& nbsp; so I'm convinced that all people can become capitalists, that these farmers need to have capital, and that they need to start a movement to help them really own their intellectual property, rather than let the big companies do it on their behalf and make money through it. I think that the 996 movement is the beginning of this vision.

 传统世界中,我们要通过法律法规去保护劳动者能够酬劳的能力,在数字世界中你要通过以太坊跟智能合约去实现。如果我们坚持这个思路前进,中心化平台也不足为惧。

In the traditional world of & nbsp; , we need to adopt laws and regulations to protect workers' ability to pay for their work, and in the digital world you need to make it happen through the talismans and smart contracts.

 链捕手:你身上有许多非常个性化的标签,女装程序员、反对996运动、大学辍学等行为带有些离经叛道的意味,可以谈谈你的这种反抗意识是怎样形成的吗?不过从社会层面来看,许多价值判断的存在根深蒂固,反抗行动的效果目前似乎有限,你如何看待这种情况?

& nbsp; Chain Catcher: You have a lot of very personal labels on you, and the behavior of women programmers, anti-996 campaigns, university dropouts, etc., with some deviant connotations, can you say how this sense of resistance is formed? At the social level, however, many values are deeply rooted, and the effects of the resistance seem to be limited?

 Suji:这个很难说,每个人看到和相信的东西不同,比如你相信性别没有什么差别,政府跟垄断公司不影响真相的追查,所以才会做记者、参加社会运动。

& nbsp; Suji: It is difficult to say that everyone sees and believes different things, such as that you believe there is no difference between sex, that the Government and the Monopoly do not interfere with truth-seeking, so that they become journalists and participate in social movements.

 我认为得有人做这样的事情,它并不是对一个东西的反抗或者背离,它是一次改革,这和我们在商业上做的事情是一致的,我们倡导用户夺回自己的数据隐私,这必然会迫使一些互联网企业巨头作出改变,这是一次互联网上的革命。

& nbsp; I think someone has to do something like this, it's not a rebellion or a departure from something, it's a reform, it's a reform, it's consistent with what we do commercially, we advocate for users to take back their data privacy, it's bound to force some Internet giants to make a change, it's an Internet revolution.

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